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Post by Paolo_Lasardi on Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:38 pm



F1 - Vettel loses cool as Red Bull loses edge in 2012

"I think some people get overwhelmed by the situation"

26 March 2012 - 09h29, by GMM


After the near-perfection of 2011, reigning back-to-back world champion Sebastian Vettel lost his cool in Malaysia.

Red Bull’s dominance since late 2009 has finally ended, and that fact was fully demonstrated at Sepang when German Vettel could not hang on even to fourth place.

He collided with backmarker Narain Karthikeyan and lost his temper with the Indian, showing him a middle-finger salute no less than twice.

Vettel, 24, then described Karthikeyan as a "gherkin" on German television.

And his description got worse in front of the British audience, when he branded his Madras-born rival an "idiot".

Germany’s Bild newspaper quotes him saying: "I think some people get overwhelmed by the situation and don’t see where their car is.

"You have to wonder whether driving a car is the right job for them."


There are also those who believe Vettel deliberately ignored Red Bull’s multiple radio messages about retiring his car - ostensibly because of high brake temperatures - at the end of the race so that he can have a fresh gearbox for China.

He argues that his radio didn’t work, but also told Welt newspaper: "I guess I should have come in, but I think that if you can, you should go to the end of the race.

"Of course you can save the car, but I wanted to see the chequered flag,"

added Vettel.

Ultimately, he scored no points in Malaysia and lies a mere sixth in the drivers’ points standings.

Team boss Christian Horner is not too worried.

"McLaren lost more than us here," he said. "At the moment they have the fastest package yet they only got three points more than us.

"Ferrari’s victory and Sauber’s second place, we can get over,"

added the Briton.

Nonetheless, the situation for Vettel is starkly different to last year.

"Statistically he is already among the best ever in formula one," wrote Livio Oricchio in O Estado de S.Paulo. "But this (race) was an example of him lacking effectiveness when he is down the field and has to gain positions.

"He is a great driver but he still has to improve in this regard. Karthikeyan was punished but my own reading is that Vettel could have avoided it."


Jaime Alguersuari, meanwhile, thinks the only factor is Red Bull’s loss of superiority.

"The end of the blown exhausts has cost Red Bull its magic," the former Toro Rosso driver is quoted by Mundo Deportivo newspaper.

"Vettel was almost literally walking the races (last year) but now the aerodynamic solutions in the field are very even.

"Many called what he (Vettel) did a miracle, that he had divine talents, while others knew it was due to his (car’s) technological superiority,"

said the Spaniard.

So, LH's monkeys are Vettel's gherkins and idiots. Laughing




F1 - Red Bull to discuss ignored team orders with Vettel

"We’ll talk about it"

27 March 2012 - 07h55, by GMM


Red Bull will sit with Sebastian Vettel following reports the German deliberately ignored the team’s race instructions in Malaysia.

The team was heard on the radio instructing the reigning back-to-back world champion to retire his car, ostensibly because of dangerously high brake temperatures.

So often were the calls unheeded that Vettel’s engineer Guillaume ’Rocky’ Rocquelin ultimately declared it an "emergency".

A late-race retirement, with Vettel definitely out of the points following his clash with Narain Karthikeyan, would have allowed Red Bull to install a new gearbox in his car for the forthcoming event in China.

Red Bull explained that Vettel did not hear the instructions due to a broken radio.

But photographs have emerged that show those instructions were also reflected in Vettel’s end-of-lap pit boards.

And the 24-year-old let slip immediately after the race: "Of course you can save the car, but I wanted to see the chequered flag.

"I think that’s how it should be."


Bild newspaper surmises that Vettel "ignored his bosses’ orders".

Team boss Christian Horner commented: "We’ll talk about it."

The German newspaper said Vettel is due at the team’s Milton Keynes headquarters at the end of this week, for time on the Red Bull driver simulator prior to Shanghai.

Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper said 2012 has been "a nightmare" for Vettel so far, as the once-dominant driver "has become just one of the other drivers".

Well, a lot of inconsistencies, indeed.

So, one race does not go as SV wants and immediately he loses his cool and temper. Be prepared for more erratic stuff if RB does not get back to dominance soon. Razz

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Post by Rodzilla on Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:56 pm

lol @ calling him a gherkin

if he is a gherkin then please explain hw he was able to finish 4th at the US Grand prix in 2005?

he was driving a jordan those days so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th
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Post by guesswho's back on Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:20 pm

Rodzilla wrote:lol @ calling him a gherkin

if he is a gherkin then please explain hw he was able to finish 4th at the US Grand prix in 2005?

he was driving a jordan those days so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th

Only 6 cars participated in that race, you know, 2 Ferraris, 2 Jordans and 2 Minardis. The Ferraris were out of reach, the Minardis were no match and the only person he was racing (his teammate) clearly beat him.

So much about his great performance.

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Post by Rodzilla on Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:52 pm

guesswho's back wrote:
Rodzilla wrote:lol @ calling him a gherkin

if he is a gherkin then please explain hw he was able to finish 4th at the US Grand prix in 2005?

he was driving a jordan those days so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th

Only 6 cars participated in that race, you know, 2 Ferraris, 2 Jordans and 2 Minardis. The Ferraris were out of reach, the Minardis were no match and the only person he was racing (his teammate) clearly beat him.

So much about his great performance.

thats just the excuses the karthikeyen haters make, but i guarantee that he would still finish 4th even if all the michelin run teams participated in the race
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Post by Jarnooo on Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:04 pm

Another Vettel tantrum! Bit of a baby isn't he.

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Post by guesswho's back on Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:31 pm

Rodzilla U a gherkin

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Post by arizal_adl on Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:35 pm

Vettel lost his calm that day. One of those days...
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Post by zing on Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:40 pm

Rodzilla wrote:
guesswho's back wrote:
Rodzilla wrote:lol @ calling him a gherkin

if he is a gherkin then please explain hw he was able to finish 4th at the US Grand prix in 2005?

he was driving a jordan those days so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th

Only 6 cars participated in that race, you know, 2 Ferraris, 2 Jordans and 2 Minardis. The Ferraris were out of reach, the Minardis were no match and the only person he was racing (his teammate) clearly beat him.

So much about his great performance.

thats just the excuses the karthikeyen haters make, but i guarantee that he would still finish 4th even if all the michelin run teams participated in the race


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Post by MONSTAR on Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:01 pm

Rodzilla wrote:
guesswho's back wrote:
Rodzilla wrote:lol @ calling him a gherkin

if he is a gherkin then please explain hw he was able to finish 4th at the US Grand prix in 2005?

he was driving a jordan those days so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th

Only 6 cars participated in that race, you know, 2 Ferraris, 2 Jordans and 2 Minardis. The Ferraris were out of reach, the Minardis were no match and the only person he was racing (his teammate) clearly beat him.

So much about his great performance.

thats just the excuses the karthikeyen haters make, but i guarantee that he would still finish 4th even if all the michelin run teams participated in the race

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Post by Sivakis on Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:12 pm

Rodzilla may have a point. Michelin pulled out because they felt their tyres wouldn't last in that race. Smile

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Post by Schumacat on Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:47 pm

Gherkin was funny but calling him an idiot was a bit too much Laughing.
And seems like Alguersuari cannot let go away the chance to take a potshot at his former team. If he keeps up, he can become the new JV in this regard Razz.


Edit: By the way, most people seem to have missed the sarcasm in Rodzilla's posts Laughing .

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Post by arizal_adl on Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:55 pm

Schumacat wrote:Gherkin was funny but calling him an idiot was a bit too much Laughing.
And seems like Alguersuari cannot let go away the chance to take a potshot at his former team. If he keeps up, he can become the new JV in this regard Razz.
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Post by KingBenzai on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:20 pm

I´m sorry but I regard Vettel as a good driver...

But I really think he´s much less of a good driver than many make him out to be. Sure he was good in a dominant car, but now that he hasn´t got that car anymore, we see the same Vettel as pre-2010. He´s definitly no next-Schumacher or anything.

To me he will always be the crashkid that was responsible for a collision with his teammate (and many other crashes before that incident) and then went to his team screaming ´Mommy mommy mommy´ and his team had to cover for their no.1 cry-baby and blamed it on Webber. That was really pathetic.

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Post by MONSTAR on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:22 pm

Schumacat wrote:Gherkin was funny but calling him an idiot was a bit too much Laughing.
And seems like Alguersuari cannot let go away the chance to take a potshot at his former team. If he keeps up, he can become the new JV in this regard Razz.


Edit: By the way, most people seem to have missed the sarcasm in Rodzilla's posts Laughing .

No, im pretty sure we got it. It was so obvious that you could hardly call it sarcasm Laughing

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Post by zing on Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:23 pm

Sivakis wrote:Rodzilla may have a point. Michelin pulled out because they felt their tyres wouldn't last in that race. Smile

I think most know the facts about US GP 2005, Sivakis. Refer to his earlier post that states "so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th." All he had to do was show up considering even both Jordans lapped the Minardis. Meanwhile if Michelin teams had raced - they could have pitted 5 times each as a safety precaution and still beat Karthikeyan. So does Rodzilla have a point? :wow1:
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Post by Rus-Evo on Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:34 pm

I can understand Vettel being unhappy at getting nothing from the race, but he has had his gerkin moments too....... thats how it rolls.

Button, Vetts & Schumacher showed that the rainmasters don't always catch the lucky breaks in the wet.
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Post by Mach on Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:12 am

Ahhhh....Vettel had a bad day. Don't worry, he'll be back on top soon.

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Post by lightmas on Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:42 am

I knew people would jump on this because they have been waiting for something after a near perfect season last year...you can have your moment.
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Post by Rodzilla on Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:40 pm

zing wrote:
Sivakis wrote:Rodzilla may have a point. Michelin pulled out because they felt their tyres wouldn't last in that race. Smile

I think most know the facts about US GP 2005, Sivakis. Refer to his earlier post that states "so it took a great performace to bring the 2nd to worst car to 4th." All he had to do was show up considering even both Jordans lapped the Minardis. Meanwhile if Michelin teams had raced - they could have pitted 5 times each as a safety precaution and still beat Karthikeyan. So does Rodzilla have a point? :wow1:

they couldnt pit 5 times as a precaution because you werent allowed to change tyres

and anyways him showing up to the US grand prix was an amazing performance when you consider his junior formula results, so there you go

but at least karthikeyen never hit his sort-of teammates 2nd placed car from behind under a safety car, i think the name for that is a potplant
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Post by Zoetrope on Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:42 pm

... rest assured ... its not the 1st time you will see Vettel spit his dummy his year.
... the 'moment' is going to last longer than some may think.
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Post by zing on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:30 pm

Rodzilla wrote:
hey couldnt pit 5 times as a precaution because you werent allowed to change tyres


Very True - but I was refering to the fact that they could have examined the tires five tmes in the race and still beat the gherkin. Monteiro on the other hand was a lightning bolt ...
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Post by guesswho's back on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:44 pm

zing wrote:Rodzilla wrote:
hey couldnt pit 5 times as a precaution because you werent allowed to change tyres


Very True - but I was refering to the fact that they could have examined the tires five tmes in the race and still beat the gherkin. Monteiro on the other hand was a lightning bolt ...

no, there was actually a rule that you could change tyres if they were dangerous(or something like that)

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Post by guesswho's back on Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:50 pm

anyway, it's not like Karthikeyan is the worst F1 driver ever, but he's close Laughing

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Post by Schumacat on Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:09 pm

guesswho's back wrote:anyway, it's not like Karthikeyan is the worst F1 driver ever, but he's close Laughing
He is the best gherkin in F1 Laughing .

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Post by Rodzilla on Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:31 am

guesswho's back wrote:
zing wrote:Rodzilla wrote:
hey couldnt pit 5 times as a precaution because you werent allowed to change tyres


Very True - but I was refering to the fact that they could have examined the tires five tmes in the race and still beat the gherkin. Monteiro on the other hand was a lightning bolt ...

no, there was actually a rule that you could change tyres if they were dangerous(or something like that)

they needed to be visually damaged, otherwise what would stop bridgestone or michelin to bring a tyre that were quicker but would wear out dangerously knowing they could change them

anyways that was the most retarded rule ever introduced to f1, the person who suggested it should have presented himself to the Indianapolis stat/finish straight so he could be the target of a tomato throwing session from the grandtand
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