Pitstop Trivia

[Minardi]

Assuming the FIA doesn't introduce a rule mandating pitstops next year, we may have an occassion where a driver is able to complete the entire race distance without pitting once.

When was the last time that happened?

[Paolo_Lasardi]

Don't you still have to use both Bridgestone compounds? That would mean at least one mandatory pit stop ...

[lightmas]

Yep...

both the soft and the hard compound need to be used throghout the race...so adleast one pitstop is needed

[JPS4ever]

I hate that f**king rule! Wouldn't it be awesome to see some cars on a hard compound making 0 pit stops competing against cars on super softs doing 2 pit stops? Not gonna happen with this stupid rule in place.

I know, maybe cars that use hards will be able to take 3 more short cuts than cars that use softs. Then the winners can take the gold medals they win and shove them up Bernie's arse.

[lightmas]

I hate that f**king rule! Wouldn't it be awesome to see some cars on a hard compound making 0 pit stops competing against cars on super softs doing 2 pit stops? Not gonna happen with this stupid rule in place.

I know, maybe cars that use hards will be able to take 3 more short cuts than cars that use softs. Then the winners can take the gold medals they win and shove them up Bernie's arse.

no..because you cant overtake


its just another version of 2 stop and going longer than your opponent.

[Minardi]

Well, okay I kind of forgot about the two-compound rule, but that doesn't apply to wet races, so there still could be a no-stop strategy in wet races next year since the fuel tanks are going to be able to do it. (kind of like the answer to the question.....

[lightmas]

Well, okay I kind of forgot about the two-compound rule, but that doesn't apply to wet races, so there still could be a no-stop strategy in wet races next year since the fuel tanks are going to be able to do it. (kind of like the answer to the question.....

good point...that could happen...as long as it stays fully wet for the whole race, because if it dries out for even a bit the wets wear out quickly.

[clovnul]

I don't think today tyres can last whole race.

[Panda]

I remember Gerhard Berger in Mexico 1986 for his maiden victory in F1, also for Benetton, but not sure if he was the last driver to do it

[clovnul]

Last who scored without a pit stop is Salo in '97.

[JPS4ever]

I think cars could do a race on 1 set of tires, especially if the car and driver are easy on tires. What a shame Bernie and the FIA will deprive us of ever seeing it (except possibly during a wet race).

[Minardi]

Last who scored without a pit stop is Salo in '97.

Correct. Monaco was shortened by a few laps because it was run in the rain, so he was only driver in the refueling-era (1994-2009) who managed to finish a race without a pit stop.

[Dave]

I can't believe they have been dumb enough to retain the two compound rule after dumping refuelling. Another wonderful opportunity missed by the FIA.

[guesswho's back]

Todt didn't have enough time to look into everything.



or did he?

[lightmas]

heres a question...


if a driver is managing his tyres and fuel..like you would all like him to

he dont be racing other drivers, you really cant overtake if doing the above...any overtaking will be done in the pits

[Dave]

heres a question...


if a driver is managing his tyres and fuel..like you would all like him to

he dont be racing other drivers, you really cant overtake if doing the above...any overtaking will be done in the pits

Well Lighty, I know you're only 7 but go and look at some footage of ye olden days when those were the rules. Lots of scrapping going on because of differing tyre wear rates.

[RaySinKa]

Well at least they will be on slicks so there is no tread depth left to measure

Ray

[lightmas]

heres a question...


if a driver is managing his tyres and fuel..like you would all like him to

he dont be racing other drivers, you really cant overtake if doing the above...any overtaking will be done in the pits

Well Lighty, I know you're only 7 but go and look at some footage of ye olden days when those were the rules. Lots of scrapping going on because of differing tyre wear rates.

you just made mat argument for me...the olden days....when they could overtake

clearly your old age is affecting your current short term memory

[clovnul]

heres a question...


if a driver is managing his tyres and fuel..like you would all like him to

he dont be racing other drivers, you really cant overtake if doing the above...any overtaking will be done in the pits

I don't think all of them will use same tactic.
One of the problems I see in no refueling rule is the engine freeze. They don't have the freedom to work with the engine.

[Dave]

heres a question...


if a driver is managing his tyres and fuel..like you would all like him to

he dont be racing other drivers, you really cant overtake if doing the above...any overtaking will be done in the pits

Well Lighty, I know you're only 7 but go and look at some footage of ye olden days when those were the rules. Lots of scrapping going on because of differing tyre wear rates.

you just made mat argument for me...the olden days....when they could overtake

clearly your old age is affecting your current short term memory

Whether it was a gloss argument or mat, it made no sense whatsoever.

[MONSTAR]

I want to see the fastest driver win, not someone who cruise's around trying to save his tyre's.

Go watch chess if that's your thing

[lightmas]

I want to see the fastest driver win, not someone who cruise's around trying to save his tyre's.

Go watch chess if that's your thing

+1

thats more or less what Brundle said

[Dave]

Hmm but that's not how it works... Whether you gamble on tyres or not, you still have to race. The difference is, you will see more overtaking because the outgoing rules meant that, more or less, all the cars were at a similar stage of tyre wear throughout the race whereas, with no refuelling, tyre strategies will vary considerably throughout the course of a race.

Seriously - all it takes is a viewing of races prior to refuelling to see how it pans out.

[Snake]

While that sounds like it makes sense, if you check out the races pre-refueling you will find that reason for refueling was to promote more overtaking.

[JPS4ever]

I think with the teams being so close in terms of pace (at least they were last year) + today's aero creating so much turbulence behind the cars; the only way we are going to see much passing will be due to differing tire strategies. And the best way for that to happen is to get rid of the mandatory 2 compound rule.

Think about it - in the last decade we've had very little passing in F1. Why would it be any different when all the cars are on the same fuel and similar tire strategies. Especially now the we have low fuel quali and the fastest cars will be at the front.