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Post by zing on Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:56 pm

Anyway this is a thread about , lol .. Vettel going to Ferrari.

The only thing Vettel can hope for it that the Ferrari suits him better than the current RB ... because obviously he's not able to hook up in that car and Daniel is killing him. Revelation of the year is definitely DR ...
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Post by tesla on Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:28 pm

zing wrote:
Revelation of the year is definitely DR ...


I am a pundit, a personality and associated with F1 and I agree with zing :up1:

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Post by F1 forever on Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:48 pm

While the term "engine freeze" is used in this context, it isn't really what the word freeze would usually suggest (= no changes).

LIMITATION OF DEVELOPMENT

"To control costs over the life cycle of the new
formula, development will be subject to a series
of restrictions over a seven-year period. These
restrictions have been developed to form a defined
path that will allow manufacturers to fully develop
the Power Units.

“The most efficient way to reduce development cost
is to stop it. This is known as a ‘freeze’,” explains Lom.
“This was partially done with the V8 engines.
It works well with mature technologies but could
be risky when imposed on new technologies, as
it can lead to a team/manufacturer whose initial
product is superior, leading to them achieving
a dominant position from the outset and this
domination would then naturally persist for the
duration of any development freeze. Therefore, we
have set out a schedule that will keep costs down
but still permit development.”


The development cycle is scheduled according to
an available set of elements that can be developed
each year.
The Power Unit is divided into families of functions,
with each family being given a certain importance,
labelled as category 1, 2 or 3 components. For
example, the pistons are ranked 2, while the
ignition system is ranked 1. The complete Power
Unit is made up of the sum of these ranked items,
with the complete Power Unit being represented by
the total number, 66. Each year, each Power Unit
manufacturer will be allowed to choose what parts
of the engine they wish to develop and will spend
a set ‘budget’ of ‘tokens’.

This development budget decreases each year
across the seven-year schedule. For 2015 the
budget available to teams is 32 tokens (close to
50% of possible development)
but for 2018 the
budget drops to 15 tokens (less than 25% of
possible development)."

I've seen this being misrepresented a lot in the media (and by certain teams), and then fans just repeat that stuff and the discussion becomes rather absurd. So the scenario of one team getting ahead early was the very reason for structuring the development budgets in the way that they have been, while still limiting costs.
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Post by tesla on Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:03 pm

F1 forever wrote:
I've seen this being misrepresented a lot in the media (and by certain teams), and then fans just repeat that stuff and the discussion becomes rather absurd. So the scenario of one team getting ahead early was the very reason for structuring the development budgets in the way that they have been, while still limiting costs.

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That is why I always refer to it as the "freeze"
The media, the teams that are having a difficult time and their fans love to throw the term big FREEZE around.  It's basically like a big EXCUSE for being incompetent with the present rules.

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Post by F1 forever on Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:28 pm

Races should be very close next year. Even if you assume that other engines might not quite catch up with the Mercedes, the big design advantage the works team held over other teams using their engines should be pretty much gone completely, and when you couple that with Mercedes' problems on the reliability front...

I personally don't think Mercedes GP will win the title next year again, so it was important that they made hay while the sun shone for them!
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