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Message par KoKiNa le Mar Juin 02, 2015 12:46 pm

F1 forever a écrit:This is what Arrivabene had to day wrt. the Kimi incident:

As for Kimi, he has a problem with qualifying, because he’s always strong on race pace. When Ricciardo got past him, I was determined to have a hard look at the rules, but then I was told that now the move is allowed when the driver in front opens up the line and the one behind manages to put at least one wheel inside. So we respect the Stewards’ decision.

So all you have to do in Monaco now is to push the guy ahead of you out of the way, essentially. A bit like DTM was in the past. Could be some interesting pinball action coming up!

Alonso put not only one wheel but the whole car inside, so why was punished?. A different rule applies in that case?
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par JPS4ever le Mar Juin 02, 2015 3:21 pm

KoKiNa a écrit:
F1 forever a écrit:This is what Arrivabene had to day wrt. the Kimi incident:

As for Kimi, he has a problem with qualifying, because he’s always strong on race pace. When Ricciardo got past him, I was determined to have a hard look at the rules, but then I was told that now the move is allowed when the driver in front opens up the line and the one behind manages to put at least one wheel inside. So we respect the Stewards’ decision.

So all you have to do in Monaco now is to push the guy ahead of you out of the way, essentially. A bit like DTM was in the past. Could be some interesting pinball action coming up!

Alonso put not only one wheel but the whole car inside, so why was punished?. A different rule applies in that case?

Yeah, Alonso was along side for practically the entire straight and even left room on the outside when he cornered. Complete bullshit!

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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Jarnooo le Mer Juin 03, 2015 3:09 am

No way was Alonso's move a penalty. Racing incident if I ever saw one.

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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Rodzilla le Sam Juin 06, 2015 6:20 pm

some uncovered radio transmission has revealed that the team told lewis to stay out and lewis argued for the stop lol

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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Zag le Sam Juin 06, 2015 7:31 pm


Uncovered? What, you found them under your duvet?

Try harder mate.....

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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par F1 forever le Sam Juin 06, 2015 8:29 pm

Rodzilla a écrit:some uncovered radio transmission has revealed that the team told lewis to stay out and lewis argued for the stop lol


It's not that he claimed he told them so after the race. His strategy guys flip-flopped a couple times, but ultimately made the wrong call. If Lewis had come in despite them ordering him to stay out, then you could blame the driver for disobeying the order. But Lewis was just sharing his opinion and impressions, very similarly to other drivers, wondering what the best course of action might be.

The driver's impressions are pretty irrelevant in these situations though, since he doesn't have access to the most relevant pieces of information needed to make the call anyway. That's why the drivers aren't in charge of these decisions.
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juin 07, 2015 2:55 am

well how about blaming lewis for being an idiot anyway

his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike, but his message to the team was "we have lost this race", and then acted like a sook saying dont talk to him

wtf i would have told him that he is an idiot
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par F1 forever le Dim Juin 07, 2015 5:21 am

Rodzilla a écrit:his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike

Lewis assumed that the drivers behind him would pit. So in his mind, it was a decision between staying in front with old tyres, and staying in front with new tyres, and of course the latter scenario seemed more comfortable for him.

He naturally wasn't happy dropping from 1st to 3rd, regardless of tyres, since this is still Monaco.
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juin 07, 2015 10:26 am

F1 forever a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike

Lewis assumed that the drivers behind him would pit. So in his mind, it was a decision between staying in front with old tyres, and staying in front with new tyres, and of course the latter scenario seemed more comfortable for him.

He naturally wasn't happy dropping from 1st to 3rd, regardless of tyres, since this is still Monaco.

he wasnt happy to be on old tyres and in front and wasnt happy that rosberg was on old tyres and in front

but you are correct this whole pitstop thing was set up to keep hamilton out of danger in front of rosberg but with new tyres, they tried to help him too much and got punished
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par nav le Lun Juin 08, 2015 12:56 pm

Rodzilla a écrit:
F1 forever a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike

Lewis assumed that the drivers behind him would pit. So in his mind, it was a decision between staying in front with old tyres, and staying in front with new tyres, and of course the latter scenario seemed more comfortable for him.

He naturally wasn't happy dropping from 1st to 3rd, regardless of tyres, since this is still Monaco.

he wasnt happy to be on old tyres and in front and wasnt happy that rosberg was on old tyres and in front

but you are correct this whole pitstop thing was set up to keep hamilton out of danger in front of rosberg but with new tyres, they tried to help him too much and got punished

Looks like it needs to be explained slowly.

1) Firstly, it was a very fundamental misunderstanding between Lewis and team. Lewis thought Nico had pit and team didn't know he was thinking this

2) Final decision rests on the team. They could've simply told Lewis that the two behind hadn't pit and this would've assured Lewis that staying out was the right choice.

3) Team miscalculated (or whatever) and called him in. This is why the bosses took blame for the debacle.

Saying Lewis was stupid and had no right to be unhappy is quite idiotic.

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Message par Zag le Lun Juin 08, 2015 1:53 pm

Exactly Nav.

To some Lewis is wrong if he sneezes.......

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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juin 14, 2015 8:22 am

nav a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:
F1 forever a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike

Lewis assumed that the drivers behind him would pit. So in his mind, it was a decision between staying in front with old tyres, and staying in front with new tyres, and of course the latter scenario seemed more comfortable for him.

He naturally wasn't happy dropping from 1st to 3rd, regardless of tyres, since this is still Monaco.

he wasnt happy to be on old tyres and in front and wasnt happy that rosberg was on old tyres and in front

but you are correct this whole pitstop thing was set up to keep hamilton out of danger in front of rosberg but with new tyres, they tried to help him too much and got punished

Looks like it needs to be explained slowly.

1) Firstly, it was a very fundamental misunderstanding between Lewis and team. Lewis thought Nico had pit and team didn't know he was thinking this

2) Final decision rests on the team. They could've simply told Lewis that the two behind hadn't pit and this would've assured Lewis that staying out was the right choice.

3) Team miscalculated (or whatever) and called him in. This is why the bosses took blame for the debacle.

Saying Lewis was stupid and had no right to be unhappy is quite idiotic.

oh boy ok let me explain even slower so that you understand

1) Lewis Hamilton is in the not so large lead with Rosberg just ahead of vettel, an incident happens with Verstappen

2) A non dumb person would understand that pitting before the safety car comes out is not a premium strategy

3) The Safety car comes out, Lewis is thinking about his next move, to pit or not to pit

4) To pit or not to pit: As described above, a non dumb person would know that the others havent pitted, Lewis must now try to use brain power to think about what the others would do

5) Lewis thinks that both Rosberg and Vettel would pit if they havent done already, this is not a smart thought because Nico cant possibly pit ahead of Vettel and if he did then seb would definitely not follow him in

5) Lewis thinking that both drivers have/will be pitting behind him is dumb

6) He should have understood that the worst case scenario for him would be that either Nico had a brainfade and pitted ahead of vettel and vettel stayed out, or nico stayed out and vettel pitted (im not sure if even that is possible because im not aware of the gap behind vettel, but lets just go with that)

7) The worst case scenario for lewis puts him in the lead with Rosberg/Vettel in 2nd place on old tyres as a rear guard and a fresh tyred Vettel/Rosberg in 3rd place, exactly the situation he thought would effectively end the race of the 3rd placed guy when he was that guy

Cool Lewis is not smart
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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par nav le Mar Juin 23, 2015 9:18 am

Rodzilla a écrit:
nav a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:
F1 forever a écrit:
Rodzilla a écrit:his argument for wanting a pitstop was that the others would be on fresh tyres behind him and he would have to fight them off, ok so he didnt like that scenario

they pit him in and then lewis is behind in 3rd but on fresh tyres, so he should be reasonably happy that he has a chance since the others would be in the exact same situation that he didnt liike

Lewis assumed that the drivers behind him would pit. So in his mind, it was a decision between staying in front with old tyres, and staying in front with new tyres, and of course the latter scenario seemed more comfortable for him.

He naturally wasn't happy dropping from 1st to 3rd, regardless of tyres, since this is still Monaco.

he wasnt happy to be on old tyres and in front and wasnt happy that rosberg was on old tyres and in front

but you are correct this whole pitstop thing was set up to keep hamilton out of danger in front of rosberg but with new tyres, they tried to help him too much and got punished

Looks like it needs to be explained slowly.

1) Firstly, it was a very fundamental misunderstanding between Lewis and team. Lewis thought Nico had pit and team didn't know he was thinking this

2) Final decision rests on the team. They could've simply told Lewis that the two behind hadn't pit and this would've assured Lewis that staying out was the right choice.

3) Team miscalculated (or whatever) and called him in. This is why the bosses took blame for the debacle.

Saying Lewis was stupid and had no right to be unhappy is quite idiotic.

oh boy ok let me explain even slower so that you understand

1) Lewis Hamilton is in the not so large lead with Rosberg just ahead of vettel, an incident happens with Verstappen

2) A non dumb person would understand that pitting before the safety car comes out is not a premium strategy

3) The Safety car comes out, Lewis is thinking about his next move, to pit or not to pit

4) To pit or not to pit: As described above, a non dumb person would know that the others havent pitted, Lewis must now try to use brain power to think about what the others would do

5) Lewis thinks that both Rosberg and Vettel would pit if they havent done already, this is not a smart thought because Nico cant possibly pit ahead of Vettel and if he did then seb would definitely not follow him in

Oooh. You're so smart thinking of all this while sitting on your couch, I guess Lewis should've thought of all this psychology and instinctively knew exactly how far Vettel was in relation to Rosberg to work out all this logic. HELLO. The guy is driving a race!! This is why they have their engineers to advise them what to do best! Wtf are you even saying here. Laughing

5) Lewis thinking that both drivers have/will be pitting behind him is dumb

6) He should have understood that the worst case scenario for him would be that either Nico had a brainfade and pitted ahead of vettel and vettel stayed out, or nico stayed out and vettel pitted (im not sure if even that is possible because im not aware of the gap behind vettel, but lets just go with that)

I bet you didn't write this sentence out while driving anything, just sitting on your chair and trying to make Lewis look dumb as usual? Same point as above, a drivers job isn't about thinking about all this crap its why they have their team who has the information and advise accordingly.

7) The worst case scenario for lewis puts him in the lead with Rosberg/Vettel in 2nd place on old tyres as a rear guard and a fresh tyred Vettel/Rosberg in 3rd place, exactly the situation he thought would effectively end the race of the 3rd placed guy when he was that guy

Sounds here like even you're confused about what you wrote. Laughing

Cool Lewis is not smart

Yeah, true he's a dumbass who is leading the WDC, double world champion, 2nd most wins of current active drivers on the grid, highest paid driver on the grid with currently the best team in the sport. I wonder how much dumber all the other fools on the grid are. And I'm sure you're way more successful. Laughing


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Re: FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 2015

Message par Rodzilla le Mer Juin 24, 2015 8:24 am

lol yeah a drivers job is not to think about all that crap but that is exactly what lewis was doing when he estimated that both drivers would pit behind him and he recommended to come in twice when they told him not to pit

its exactly my point that he should stfu and not add to the confusion

and yes i am smart
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