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Post by Gary on Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:26 pm

It's not the buyers who matter, but stock holders, and they have lost LOT thanx to this scandal. Thus VW also has less money to play around...

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Post by F1 forever on Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:02 pm

This is just too much fun!

Red Bull engine situation now 'critical'

Sauber chief Monisha Kaltenborn, however, said Sauber deserves Ferrari's top specification, insisting: "We have always behaved very decently towards our partner."

That is a definite stab at Red Bull's treatment of its current supplier, Renault, whose divorce from the energy drink-owned teams will be imminently confirmed.

Mercedes' Niki Lauda agrees: "They (Red Bull) put themselves into this position that they must now go begging for an engine."

Even struggling Honda is not an option for Red Bull, "because of Ron Dennis" and his resistance, Marko revealed.

http://www.newsonf1.co.uk/2015/news/Sep/article_Red_Bull_engine_situation_now_critical_.html

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Sounds like Ferrari isn't too keen on giving them a competitive engine, even though they acted in public as if they're not afraid of (that sort of) competition (or Marchionne really wasn't, but...)! I wonder what Vettel is saying behind closed doors...

So is RedBull's behaviour backfiring after all? Looks a lot like it!

Will Marko or Horner learn anything from it? Of course not!
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Post by F1 forever on Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:57 pm

Mercedes announced Manor deal, so they're formally out of the running to supply RedBull. No surprise here, but there were still some "experts" claiming the door was still open.

Good thing for Manor they're finally getting a competitive engine again. They're racing last season's Ferrari engines now afaik.
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Post by Dave on Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:04 pm

Nobody would be able to see where they were going if VW starts building F1 engines...


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Post by Zag on Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:56 am

Nice to see you Dave...

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Post by Dave on Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:08 pm

Lovely to be back in the thriving hub!

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Post by Zag on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:03 am

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Post by Gary on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:15 pm

God, I hate crowds, this is like India...

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Post by F1 forever on Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:32 pm

IMHO, the 50-posts-per-user-per-day limit is going to be introduced soon. It's not a question of "if", but "when".

I see no alternative!
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Post by Jarnooo on Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:28 am

If you turn your sound up, you can actually hear the echo as you press 'Send' for your post.

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Post by Gary on Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:07 pm

BTW, like I mentioned before, Volkswagen is re-considering their involvement in F1.

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Post by F1 forever on Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:34 pm

Someone refresh my memory...what was the name of the original forum from which many (most?) moved here years ago? And why was that forum shut down? I can't seem to recall any details. Really missing the craziness of some of those posters, though!
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Post by Jarnooo on Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:12 am

F1-Live wasn't it? Then ESPN bought it, promised they wouldn't change it, then promptly changed it.

There are a few remnants left over on the wayback machine.

Oh the memories Sad

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Post by F1 forever on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:01 pm

Jarnooo wrote:F1-Live wasn't it? Then ESPN bought it, promised they wouldn't change it, then promptly changed it.

There are a few remnants left over on the wayback machine.

Oh the memories Sad

Ooooooh, thank you!!!!

Very Happy

T3, RacerX, Deadcat, MERC FAN, beef...I even remembered a specific thread (that went on forever)!

And I found one that asks "Will Volkswagen enter F1?"...from 2002! Wink

Oh yeah, and fuck you ESPN! read1
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Post by F1 forever on Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:24 pm

More and more talk about three-car-teams surfacing...does anyone know how that would actually work? I guess only some teams would field three cars?
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Post by F1 forever on Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:21 pm

Lots of negative articles today about RedBull actually quitting, even in the quality papers.

...but then Ecclestone says:

"Everything's been sorted out so I wouldn't worry about it," Ecclestone told reporters. "We don't want them to drop out. I think they have sorted it all out now,"

Problem is, he talks so much BS over the course of the year that it's impossible to tell whether he means it, or whether he's just being Bernie again.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/13842738/red-bull-engine-crisis-deepens

An interesting tidbit from German SPIEGEL: Wolff didn't want to supply RedBull with engines, but Lauda still arranged talks between Mateschitz and Zetsche (Mercedes' boss), and they pretty much agreed on a deal.

Then Winterkorn (now former Head of Volkswagen) let Wolff know about the Audi plans, and that actually gave Wolff the upper hand within the team to not supply RedBull (because Audi and Mercedes are of course fierce competitors in the marketplace).

Funnily enough, Winterkorn may have screwed up RedBull F1, too Wink
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Post by Gary on Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:34 pm

I foresee Red Bull crawling on their hands and needs back to Renault, and asking forgiveness and engines for couple years.

Not seeing it necessarily happening though from Renault's side, but who knows.

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Post by Jarnooo on Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:21 am

Apparently Ferrari have now turned them down and it is their only option. Fucking hilarious if you ask me. The only one I feel bad for now is Renault, because they'll have to deal with Red Bull'shit again.

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Post by F1 forever on Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:35 am

So Ferrari is afraid RBR even with their 2015 engines would still be too strong? So much for Marchionne's words they are not afraid of competition, lol!

As much as I despise RedBull, something is wrong here with the regulations if the engine manufacturers can basically dictate who is allowed to compete in F1 and who isn't, by simply saying "nope, they'd be too strong for us, so they don't get any".

As stupid as RedBull has been, this is embarassing for F1.
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Post by Jarnooo on Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:49 am

F1 forever wrote:So Ferrari is afraid RBR even with their 2015 engines would still be too strong? So much for Marchionne's words they are not afraid of competition, lol!

As much as I despise RedBull, something is wrong here with the regulations if the engine manufacturers can basically dictate who is allowed to compete in F1 and who isn't, by simply saying "nope, they'd be too strong for us, so they don't get any".

As stupid as RedBull has been, this is embarassing for F1.

Think of it this way. If you were Arsene Wenger, would you loan Alexis Sachez to Manchester United? It's only one player, but he'd make a huge difference. Please don't pick that example apart, I know it isn't entirely relevant lol. With Renault, Red Bull had they very own engine manufacturer working just about solely for them. Renault have and incredible list of achievements in F1 and there is no doubt they'd be making a competitive engine in not too long. They blew it.

If Red Bull made their own engines, do you think they'd give them to one of their nearest competitors? I highly doubt it!

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Post by F1 forever on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:48 am

Jarnooo, there's no question that Red Bull screwed themselves here in this specific case, in many ways.

But I don't like the idea that the engine manufacturers only give their engines to uncompetitive teams. Let's say Renault was forced to pull out of the sport for whatever reason (maybe some software problems on millions of their road cars, cough, cough) - Red Bull would be in the same situation. They'd still have no engine simply because their team is too good to get one.

There was a time when the engine used by the teams didn't really matter (as they all delivered roughly the same performance). And now it flipped to the other extreme, with the engine manufacturers calling all the shots, with no alternatives. No independent engine supplier, nothing. So the better your team (potentially) is, the lower your chances to even be in F1? Sounds screwy to me, considering the fact that the vast majority of teams don't manufacture their own engines.



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Post by F1 forever on Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:52 am

I like this idea for Red Bull: Get the offered 2015 Ferrari engines for Toro Rosso, quit with RBR, and then buy Manor! Smile
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Post by Zag on Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:33 am

Its up to the individual teams to do engine deals and any engine manufacturer can decide
whether to supply a team or not...  I guess if you are not happy with your current supplier
it would be better to work out a deal with another manufacturer before you start pissing
all over your current one...

I have zero percent sympathy for the problems Red Bull have engineered for themselves.

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Post by F1 forever on Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:01 pm

Horner cracks me up

"What you don't see is the work behind the scenes and the commitment that has gone in behind the scenes to make this power unit work, the investment that has been made and the solution that has been provided. My priority is seeing Red Bull in Formula One next year. I want to see our cars with our drivers on the grid and that means talking to all parties that have a potential interest in us being there next year."

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/13850783/christian-horner-not-ruling-renault-deal-red-bull-2016

That is the exact opposite of what he's been claiming before! Lack of commitment, lack of investment, it's not about just being on the grid...the guys at Renault are probably laughing and puking at the same time!
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