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Post by RaySinKa on Sun May 15, 2016 3:37 pm

00521 wrote:

RaySinKa wrote:

It has certainly resulted in an interesting race!



(May I quote you on that?)

To say the very least. A unique one. We shall all stay awake for once w/o coffee. (LOL)


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You may.

But it is so nice to be five laps from the end and not know who is going to win.

And what a mix it is.

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Post by Mika-Juan-Kimi on Sun May 15, 2016 3:45 pm

Man what a talent
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Post by RaySinKa on Sun May 15, 2016 3:47 pm

What a race and what a result Very Happy

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Post by RaySinKa on Sun May 15, 2016 3:48 pm

And now the arguements. Very Happy

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Post by Mika-Juan-Kimi on Sun May 15, 2016 3:51 pm

I think he is emulating Vettel. If I'm not mistaken both guys 1st podium was a win
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Post by Zag on Sun May 15, 2016 4:06 pm

Vettel?  Is that the guy who wants the whole track to himself and moans on the radio when
someone tries to overtake him?

No argument.... Rosberg changed directions twice and forced Hamilton off the track...

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Post by Mika-Juan-Kimi on Sun May 15, 2016 4:12 pm

Lol I'm just talking about their 1st podium. Redbull really have 4 capable drivers will be interesting to see where everyone will be placed.
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Post by Zag on Sun May 15, 2016 4:16 pm

I know.....  well done to Max!!

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Post by 00521 on Sun May 15, 2016 4:25 pm

So Happy to see Verstappen win.

He deserved it.  Hard work, right place right time.

At 18 and 133 days, Ricardo Rodriquez (Pedro's younger brother) was the youngest ever driver to have a podium finish at LeMans, and Bruce McLaren was 22 when he won the USGP at Sebring in '59.

Verstappen is somewhere around Ricardo Rodriguez' age when he came in 2nd at LeMans.

Both Rodriguez brothers died tragically... but Verstappen should have much better "luck" as racing is so, so, much safer now, and his dad was a very good driver.



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Post by 00521 on Sun May 15, 2016 4:31 pm

Zag wrote:Vettel?  Is that the guy who wants the whole track to himself and moans on the radio when
someone tries to overtake him?

No argument.... Rosberg changed directions twice and forced Hamilton off the track...

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This whole thing about Rosberg, I actually had to go back to the beginning of the race start to look at it carefully. The cutaway at the end did not show it in detail.

Looks like Rosberg had a serious fit of 'road rage', 2 direction changes and deliberately pushed Hamilton right off from the top of the chute... He had decided to push all 4 wheels of Hamilton's car off onto the verge and THAT bit Rosberg.

Schumi would have been content with a nudge or 2 wheels.

From the in car, one can see that there was really more than enough distance and room for them to BOTH easily make the next turn cleanly.

Unreal. VERY immature. Very dangerous... Sad at that level.

Just thankful that they had a good run on the field or Ferrari and Red Bull would also have been collected, and THAT would have been mighty dangerous at that spot.



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Post by F1 forever on Sun May 15, 2016 5:21 pm

Analysis from Sky: https://streamable.com/ys32

Wolff has meanwhile confirmed that Rosberg had selected the wrong engine mode.

At the end of the day, Rosberg wins again, huge championship lead essentially remains the same, one less race to go.
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Post by Panda on Sun May 15, 2016 5:26 pm

I saw the recap made by Anthony Davidson and it looks to me that shouldn't go beyond a race incident. I could blame Rosberg from being caught distracted while adjusting something in his steering wheel, that is why the window was open for Hamilton he saw Nico's red lights flashing and he took it. After that it was what it was.

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Post by F1 forever on Sun May 15, 2016 5:27 pm

After 10 consecutive Mercedes wins, with both Mercedes out of the race, Ferrari... still doesn't win. Oh dear!

Here's hoping the upcoming Renault upgrade is worth something.
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Post by RaySinKa on Sun May 15, 2016 8:24 pm

The Stewards, having received a report from the Race Director, heard from the drivers and team
representatives, and examined video evidence, have considered the following matter and determine
the following.

The incident concerned started when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power
mode, as set by the driver prior to the start. This created a significant power
differential between Car 6 and Car 44 at the exit of Turn 3 coming onto the
straight, resulting in as much as a 17kph speed difference between the two cars
on the straight. Car 6 moved to the right to defend his position, as is his right
under Art 27.7 of the Sporting regulations. Simultaneously Car 44 as the
significantly faster car with, at that time, apparent space on the inside, moved to
make the pass. Art 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a
“significant portion” of the car attempting to pass alongside.  Car 44 had a
portion of his front wing inside Car 6 small fractions of a second prior to Car 44
having to leave the right side of the track to avoid an initial collision, which may
have led him to believe he had the right to space on the right. Once on the grass
on the side of the track Car 44 was no longer in control of the situation.
Having heard extensively from both drivers and from the team, the Stewards
determined that Car 6 had the right to make the maneuver that he did and that
Car 44’s attempt to overtake was reasonable, and that the convergence of
events led neither driver to be wholly or predominantly at fault, and therefore take
no further action.

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Post by Mika-Juan-Kimi on Sun May 15, 2016 11:02 pm

F1 forever wrote:Analysis from Sky: https://streamable.com/ys32

Wolff has meanwhile confirmed that Rosberg had selected the wrong engine mode.

At the end of the day, Rosberg wins again, huge championship lead essentially remains the same, one less race to go.

After watching the analysis from Davidson the stewards made the right decision
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Post by 00521 on Mon May 16, 2016 2:13 am

Toto Wolff must've had Mercedes lawyers working VETY hard on this one for those 4-5 hours before the decision..

He wants Rosberg to get the WDC with zero penalties, pretty obvious that he was going to find a way to get it rigged.

Whoever heard of  huge, multi-milion dollar accident and the initiator does not even get a proverbial slap on the wrist (or even warning), even though he basically risked the safety of the entire grid on a childish, road rage, move?

Wonder if Verstappen would have gotten nearly the the same treatment, or Grosjean?

For people to say they want 'safety' in F-1 and then allow this to happen at the front is really a bad joke.

Even Schumi would have been criticized for this one, and he was a helluva talent, regardless of his many 'moments'.

I have a feeling that Toto Wolff is looking for an excuse to get rid of Hamilton at the end of this year. There is a HUGE anti-immigrant sentiment in Germany now and Hamilton was forced upon Wolff by Mercedes when Rosberg couldn't get any results despite years of tutoring by Schumacher.

They'll use this year's lack of performance to buy him out and replace him with Verstappen who probably fits the Mercedes profile better can (supposedly) be groomed over a few years while he (supposedly) allows Rosberg to win two WDCs.  Rumors are already afloat today that Hamilton will take a 1 year (forced) sabbatical in 2017. (I mean.. how many races and how many Hamilton mechanical DN@s, DNFs? this year???)

Hope Lewis is saving his hard earned $$$ and investing them wisely as this is exactly what happened to Alonso at Ferrari.

The difference between a Hamilton and a Rosberg is the exact same difference as between an Alonso and a Button.
Hamilton and Alonso are naturals, as some point are ALL the greatest drivers in one way or another.
No amount of 'monkey in a simulator' training can give you that kind of feeling for track conditions and strategic thinking while in a race, etc.







The incident concerned started when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power
mode, as set by the driver prior to the start. This created a significant power
differential between Car 6 and Car 44 at the exit of Turn 3 coming onto the
straight
, resulting in as much as a 17kph speed difference between the two cars
on the straight. Car 6 moved to the right to defend his position, as is his right
under Art 27.7 of the Sporting regulations. Simultaneously Car 44 as the
significantly faster car with, at that time, apparent space on the inside, moved to
make the pass. Art 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a
“significant portion” of the car attempting to pass alongside.
Car 44 had a
portion of his front wing inside Car 6 small fractions of a second prior to Car 44
having to leave the right side of the track to avoid an initial collision, which may
have led him to believe he had the right to space on the right. Once on the grass
on the side of the track Car 44 was no longer in control of the situation.

Having heard extensively from both drivers and from the team, the Stewards
determined that Car 6 had the right to make the maneuver that he did and that
Car 44’s attempt to overtake was reasonable, and that the convergence of
events led neither driver to be wholly or predominantly at fault, and therefore take
no further action.



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Post by Dave on Mon May 16, 2016 8:09 am

Wow. Looked like a racing incident to me. Rosberg's biggest crime (if any) was to misjudge Hamilton's speed when he closed the door.

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Post by Zag on Mon May 16, 2016 12:13 pm

Well, given that Rosberg knew he was in wrong engine mode he will have known the speed differential
would have been large and swerving across the track, off the racing line, like that effectively gave LH a
brake test and nowhere to go.

Rosberg is a serial offender of this kind of move...

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Post by Dave on Mon May 16, 2016 5:01 pm

Surely if he'd known he was in the wrong engine mode, he'd have put it in the right engine mode...

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Post by Zag on Mon May 16, 2016 5:10 pm

He did, you can see him doing it coming out of corner 3 and I think that
is partly to blame as he was distracted..   Lewis saw the lights flickering (harvesting) and knew he was slow...

Rosberg admitted afterwards he had made a mistake and was not in the
correct engine mode from the start.

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Post by Dave on Mon May 16, 2016 5:22 pm

Zag wrote:He did, you can see him doing it coming out of corner 3 and I think that
is partly to blame as he was distracted..   Lewis saw the lights flickering (harvesting) and knew he was slow...

Rosberg admitted afterwards he had made a mistake and was not in the
correct engine mode from the start.

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Surely if he was distracted, he wouldn't have moved to block Hamilton...

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Post by 00521 on Mon May 16, 2016 5:42 pm

Dave wrote:
Zag wrote:He did, you can see him doing it coming out of corner 3 and I think that
is partly to blame as he was distracted..   Lewis saw the lights flickering (harvesting) and knew he was slow...

Rosberg admitted afterwards he had made a mistake and was not in the
correct engine mode from the start.

cat

Surely if he was distracted, he wouldn't have moved to block Hamilton...

Dave, exactly.

You read my mind.

Oh well, Gents. Its past.

Onto the next race. Monaco.

Lets see if Rosberg blocks the track during qually again. Shocked



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Post by JPS4ever on Mon May 16, 2016 6:13 pm

Nico had every right to close the door. He was clearly ahead when he made the move, and no, he did not change direction more than once. Only the huge speed difference allowed Lewis to stick his nose in there fractions of a second before Nico's move was finished but it was still an incredibly ambitious for Hamilton to move to the inside in the 1st place. All in all, a racing incident. That's how the stewards saw it and I agree.

00521, I really wish you would stop with all your crazy conspiracy theories. Your accusation of racism (or a HUGE anti-immigrant sentiment as you put it) is ridiculous. Lewis has had 3 poles out of 5 races. If he could get his starts together he'd probably be leading the championship, despite his bad luck with mechanical problems. And if you really think Mercedes is sabotaging his car, you really don't know as much about F1 as you claim to.


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Post by 00521 on Mon May 16, 2016 6:16 pm

JPS4ever wrote:Nico had every right to close the door.  He was clearly ahead when he made the move, and no, he did not change direction more than once.  Only the huge speed difference allowed Lewis to stick his nose in there fractions of a second before Nico's move was finished but it was still an incredibly ambitious for Hamilton to move to the inside in the 1st place.  All in all, a racing incident.  That's how the stewards saw it and I agree.

00521, I really wish you would stop with all your crazy conspiracy theories.  Your accusation of racism (or a HUGE anti-immigrant sentiment as you put it) is ridiculous.  Lewis has had 3 poles out of 5 races.  If he could get his starts together he'd probably be leading the championship, despite his bad luck with mechanical problems.  And if you really think Mercedes is sabotaging his car, you really don't know as much about F1 as you claim to.


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As always.

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JPS was only a mere cigarette brand.. Cool



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Post by JPS4ever on Mon May 16, 2016 6:40 pm

Yes, but it's still one of the most beautiful liveries ever Wink

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