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Post by Panda on Sun May 29, 2016 7:12 pm

I don't know but Hamilton looked very happy with his mechanics... for someone who is being prejudiced by his team. Is there really a conspiracy against him?

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Post by Rodzilla on Sun May 29, 2016 8:28 pm

rosberg could have held up hamilton and cost him victory, but he is irvine and hamilton is schumacher so that isnt allowed

only hamilton is allowed to hold up the teammate
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Post by F1 forever on Sun May 29, 2016 9:01 pm

Panda wrote:I don't know but Hamilton looked very happy with his mechanics... for someone who is being prejudiced by his team. Is there really a conspiracy against him?

A team-wide conspiracy? I'd rule that out. Makes no sense to me.

But I do understand human nature quite well at this point in my life. And I know that hurt feelings can be an extremely powerful driver behind actions that would otherwise be deemed "illogical", certainly "unprofessional" - and all it takes is one guy who'd rather want to see his old friend win it all this season. Or who just cannot quite get 100% behind supporting the guy he tried to beat for years.

I've personally been in a position like that (not on a sports team of course), and for me, it was never the same again after my superiors were switched. I tried to be as professional as I could, but still helped my former superior whenever I could as long as it wasn't blatantly obvious to others (even though he was supposed to be "the enemy" all of a sudden, not to even be talked to!). Humans are not machines, they do have feelings, personal preferences, memories, and emotional bonds, and it does affect your performance and actions, even if you'd never admit it to anyone.

And since we can't look into their heads, we'll never know for sure. We can only observe what's actually happening, and speculate about it, think about what's most likely given the circumstances.

So Hamilton looked very happy after scoring an against-the-odds victory on the most prestigious F1 circuit? You should have seen him yesterday, where he reacted to all he's been through this season so far. It wasn't pretty.
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Post by Mika-Juan-Kimi on Sun May 29, 2016 10:11 pm

F1 driver wins the 500 Alexander Rossi
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Post by F1 forever on Mon May 30, 2016 12:30 am

So since Max Verstappen is already better than Senna has ever been... just how much better is he? Razz
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Post by Jarnooo on Mon May 30, 2016 2:54 pm

Hamilton did nothing wrong against Ricciardo. Squeezed, but left a car's width.

And Rossi holy crap!! That was awesome.

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Post by F1 forever on Mon May 30, 2016 3:04 pm

Interesting - Mercedes boss Zetsche was at Monaco and talked about the importance of Lewis' win in light of "a certain imbalance in the team". Remarked how important it is that Lewis feels that both drivers receive equal treatment.

Let's hope this race marks a turning point, and that both drivers can compete based on merit, not defects and the lack thereof respectively.
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Post by Zag on Mon May 30, 2016 7:42 pm

If Zetsche meant Mercedes provided Lewis with a reliable car for once then I guess they have a
little way to go to even up that score...

Whatever, he drove as well in such conditions as I have ever seen...
just a shame he took more interest in that idiot Bieber than his mechanics... sadly
that partly took the shine off his win for me..

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Post by F1 forever on Mon May 30, 2016 7:49 pm

Zag wrote:Nico had a problem with his brakes?  No, he just cant drive fast in the wet...

Turns out you were right! The two cars exhibited the same symptoms (cold brakes, lack of tyre grip), but the difference was the capability of the drivers to handle these problems. Lewis cited his experience from a 2008 race in Silverstone where he faced the same issues as the reason for his success.
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Post by F1 forever on Mon May 30, 2016 7:51 pm

Zag wrote:If Zetsche meant Mercedes provided Lewis with a reliable car for once then I guess they have a
little way to go to even up that score...

Yes, that's what he was talking about.
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Post by Zag on Mon May 30, 2016 9:27 pm

To give him his due Nico wasn't the one saying he had a brake problem, just
something the 'pundits' mentioned as to why he was so (painfully) slow..

I think Nico was slower than ever in these conditions because Monaco is so
unforgiving if you get it wrong... he may have been quicker (a little..Very Happy) on
a more open circuit...  

Lets hope there is another wet race in the season and we will see!

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Post by F1 forever on Mon May 30, 2016 11:11 pm

Zag wrote:To give him his due Nico wasn't the one saying he had a brake problem, just
something the 'pundits' mentioned as to why he was so (painfully) slow...

Nico mentioned a brake problem as a possible cause for his lack of speed. It's even on their homepage. But Wolff contradicted him early on, citing the inability to get the tyres into the working window.

There are some rumours that it has to do with an "intelligent" mechanism Mercedes uses to lower tyre pressures during the race. The low temperatures, compounded by the fact the race started behind the safety car, didn't allow them to perform their usual "magic".

A Mercedes engineer actually mentioned to a German publication the day before the race that they would be in trouble in the rain / with colder temperatures. So this wasn't really unexpected - but there was no fix either. Which makes Lewis' performance even more impressive!
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Post by Dave on Tue May 31, 2016 5:39 am

Zag wrote:If Zetsche meant Mercedes provided Lewis with a reliable car for once then I guess they have a
little way to go to even up that score...

Whatever, he drove as well in such conditions as I have ever seen...
just a shame he took more interest in that idiot Bieber than his mechanics... sadly
that partly took the shine off his win for me..

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You mean there's still a conspiracy? Laughing

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Post by Zag on Tue May 31, 2016 11:03 am

Of course there is... there's always a conspiracy...!!

Zetsche should have said an imbalance of luck rather than in the team..
conspiracy written all over it.....................  Smile

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Post by RaySinKa on Tue May 31, 2016 11:14 am

Zag wrote:

Of course there is... there's always a conspiracy...!!

Zetsche should have said an imbalance of luck rather than in the team..
conspiracy written all over it.....................  Smile

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Of course Germanic owners prefer a Germanic winner, so does that mean Ricciardo needs a nationality change to overcome his team trobles? mrgreen

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Post by Zag on Tue May 31, 2016 11:34 am

Joking apart the level of incompetence by F1 teams never ceases to amaze
me... I know mechanically they are all on the edge but not having tyres
ready? Really?

I blame Bieber...

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Post by F1 forever on Tue May 31, 2016 4:39 pm

Zag wrote:Joking apart the level of incompetence by F1 teams never ceases to amaze
me... I know mechanically they are all on the edge but not having tyres
ready? Really?

I blame Bieber...

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Yep, they were prolly so busy showing Bieber around that they completely forgot about Dan! It's tough when you have the Driver of the Millenium on the team, AND Bieber sneaking around... hardly any attention left for Dan!
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Post by F1 forever on Tue May 31, 2016 4:43 pm

A little hard to keep track of Ferrari's comments... how many races do they think they could have won so far? 5 out of 6?

Red Bull obviously 2 of 6 (although they got extremely lucky with the victory they did get).

So it's sorta kinda competitive right now, but I want to finally see a normal race at a normal race track again. Like, where your car doesn't have to be 2.4 secs faster to overtake. Not one where overtaking is more or less impossible.
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Post by F1 forever on Tue May 31, 2016 11:55 pm

If you were in Mercedes position, would you resign Rosberg or go for Ricciardo? The latter just claimed his contractual situation is "open".
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Post by F1 forever on Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:20 am

Interesting headline...

F1 - Verstappen still on track after bad Monaco

Shocked Why? What's he still doing there? Did they forget him there? Did he lose all sense of time? Did he go insane maybe?

Curious and curiouser!
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Post by Zag on Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:54 am

F1 forever wrote:If you were in Mercedes position, would you resign Rosberg or go for Ricciardo? The latter just claimed his contractual situation is "open".

I cant see them dropping Nico, but would think the sticking point is they may only be offering
a one year deal...  Personally I want Alonso to go to Mercedes, now that would be interesting!!

Max? Maybe they have told him to pick up all the pieces....  Not saying he isn't very good but we have seen
this kind of hype many times before after one or two good races...   Perez a few years ago comes to mind..

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Post by F1 forever on Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:50 pm

... or when Bottas was supposed to be THE driver to have supposedly... getting outperformed by 35 yo Massa, once again


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Post by F1 forever on Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:51 pm

Alonso would be great, not sure though the Mercedes guys want that kind of trouble... although both Lewis and him have probably matured a lot since the early days.
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Post by Zag on Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:18 pm

Yes, little chance of it happening sadly...   just such a talent wasted at McLaren.

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Post by F1 forever on Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:53 pm

Villeneuve slams safety car start:

Jacques Villeneuve has slammed F1’s race director for starting the ’jewel in the crown’ Monaco race last Sunday behind the safety car.

The 1997 world champion said it was "ridiculous" that just because it was raining in the Principality for the race start, the normal grid start was called off and the drivers did seven laps behind the safety car.

"Seven laps behind the safety car — that’s ridiculous," Villeneuve, the 11-time grand prix winner who is now a pundit for Italian television, told the German-language Motorsport-Magazin.com.

"These are not tourists, they are the best paid drivers in the world.

"Formula one is already losing fans and things like this do not help at all because it makes the drivers look not like gladiators but weaklings," the French Canadian charged.

45-year-old Villeneuve admitted that racing in the rain on a street circuit like Monaco is dangerous, but what happened on Sunday was not the right look for F1.

Gotta agree with that. That whole safety stuff is getting pretty absurd. On the other hand, it's totally fine if you push another driver off the track at high speeds, apparently. Safety first!
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