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Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juil 03, 2016 6:59 pm

Zag a écrit:  
Do you mean switching it to a Lewis 1 -2 by leaving Lewis out there longer than they should have, or bringing Nico in first when it was Lewis's turn or maybe by taking 3.5secs longer in the pitstops than Nico's, or even giving Lewis one short lap in which to try to undercut Nico.. ??

Nico is a quick driver, when on his own... he cannot race and certainly cannot race fairly..

Wolf and Lauda threw Lewis under a bus after Spain and should now do the same to Roseberg..

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as i explained they left lewis out there because ferrari were in the mix, by all means if lewis wanted to pit first and go back into 12th place then let him, and then 7 laps later when rosberg is starting to get to within a pitstop deficit then they again could pit to cover off rosberg, ferrari were still in the mix and would lead with possible rain in the area

its normal to have a behind driver pit first when it is critical for him to do so because he is in a battle and the other guy is clear, ive seen it many times including for lewis, mark webber famously tried it in the championship showdown etc

its not normal to have a rear driver in the battle for the lead be given the undercut, the only other time ive seen it is when red bull did it for vettel a few laps before the ignoring team orders incident, red bull at that time were openly favouring vettel

ironically in that same race ross brawn ordered nico to not pass a wounded lewis because of the same superstar treatment
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Message par Zag le Dim Juil 03, 2016 7:20 pm

Hey Rod... you really are Nico Rosberg aren't you??

You aught to mention to Toto that when the fly-by-wire brakes fail (bullshit) it also locks the steering wheel and stops you turning...

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Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juil 03, 2016 7:46 pm

Zag a écrit:Hey Rod... you really are Nico Rosberg aren't you??

You aught to mention to Toto that when the fly-by-wire brakes fail (bullshit) it also locks the steering wheel and stops you turning...

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im not rosberg but its a growing problem at mercedes, it also happens to lewis whenever rosberg is outside him What a Face

btw no reply to my argument, either im too annoying or i won, hopefully i won
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Message par Zag le Dim Juil 03, 2016 8:36 pm

I'm leaning towards annoying..... Smile

They set Lewis up for a one stop, Merc then panicked....
(I have said it before but I do not know where any of the top teams get their so called
strategists from... none of them seem to have a clue..)

Forget who pitted first or second and the sloooow tyre stops, Lewis drove the wheels off trying to catch Nico and when he finally did (after a mistake from Nico on the previous corner) Nico didn't bother to turn and purposely speared Lewis off the track.

Mercedes did nothing to help Lewis in this race, indeed they tried their best to make him
lose it.

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Message par Rodzilla le Dim Juil 03, 2016 8:57 pm

im not going to forget who pitted first because thats the whole point, pitting hamilton first gave him rosberg on a platter and pitting rosberg first put him in 16th

just add this to the growing list of favours to lewis, this is right up there with ordering nico to move aside in monaco
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Message par Zag le Dim Juil 03, 2016 9:17 pm

Oh dear, it really was very different to this... Nico chose the two stop strategy and was even allowed to pit before Lewis even though it was his call...  Nico was in effect given a ten lap undercut on better tyres and then they decide Lewis has to stop twice.
Had Mercedes not chickened out and left Lewis to his easily manageable one stop
we wouldn't be discussing this now, he would have won at a canter..

By a growing list of favours do you mean giving Lewis a car that has been more unreliable than reliable in the majority of races/qualifying and meaning even more penalties down the line?

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Message par F1 forever le Dim Juil 03, 2016 9:45 pm

Pretty amazing. Lewis has a great start from pole, great pace on track, and yet, Mercedes manages to put Rosberg from P7 ahead of him (strategy change, slower pit stops etc.).

Hardly a race goes by where they're not screwing him one way or the other. He got so close to falling behind even further in the championship after what was a perfect weekend by him.
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Message par F1 forever le Dim Juil 03, 2016 9:58 pm

Also interesting that Nico's only defense these days seems to be to run right into his teammate at every opportunity. Here's hoping that for a repeat offender, the penalties become more meaningful going forward. Giving him meaningless penalties will hardly make him re-think his approach.
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Message par F1 forever le Dim Juil 03, 2016 10:09 pm

Once again Rosberg didn't leave any room:

Nico Rosberg has been penalised by the FIA stewards after they deemed him 'responsible for the collision' with team mate Lewis Hamilton while fighting for the lead on the final lap in Austria.

After examining video and telemetry evidence, and having heard from Rosberg, Hamilton and representatives from Mercedes, the stewards determined that Rosberg had not allowed Hamilton 'racing room'.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/7/rosberg-penalised--stays-fourth--after-hamilton-clash.html
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Re: FORMULA 1 - GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2016

Message par Rodzilla le Lun Juil 04, 2016 7:35 am

Zag a écrit:Oh dear, it really was very different to this... Nico chose the two stop strategy and was even allowed to pit before Lewis even though it was his call...  Nico was in effect given a ten lap undercut on better tyres and then they decide Lewis has to stop twice.
Had Mercedes not chickened out and left Lewis to his easily manageable one stop
we wouldn't be discussing this now, he would have won at a canter..

By a growing list of favours do you mean giving Lewis a car that has been more unreliable than reliable in the majority of races/qualifying and meaning even more penalties down the line?

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no lewis first stop was keeping with his 1 stop strategy and then they changed it after the ferrari threat was over, they did it because they wanted to neutralise the race and ensure lewis wins easier

if they retained the 1 stop strategy for lewis then what would happen is rosberg makes his pitstop when he did and then he has 15 or so laps to get back to lewis who would be on 40-50 lap old tyres and also the slower compound, rosberg would catch him and it would be a challenging finish, thats what mercedes didnt want

not to mention the 1 stop lewis middle race stint would be slower knowing he had to get to the end of the race





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Message par Jarnooo le Lun Juil 04, 2016 2:10 pm

Great race if you ask me. Just missing those few drops of rain! Nico with apparent brake problems, but didn't turn in either! He suffered in the end.

Great race from Max and Button. Poor race from Hulk, Ricciardo was kinda nowhere and Kimi really should have been closer to Max by the end of the race, reminded me of how Trulli would fall asleep in the middle of races. 5 laps to go amd suddenly "where are blue flags".

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Re: FORMULA 1 - GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2016

Message par 00521 le Mar Juil 05, 2016 5:25 am



Nico Rosberg has been handed a ten second post race time penalty for his role in the last lap crash with Lewis Hamilton, along with two penalty points on his liscence.

The stewards ruled that “it was apparent that Car 44 (HAM) was in front of Car 6 (ROS) – i.e more than fully alongside – and that the driver of Car 44 could have clearly made the turn (T2) on the track, if not for the resultant collision”

They went further and said that “Car 6 did not allow Car 44 ‘racing room’ and hence the driver of Car 6 was responsible for the collision”

The penalty does not affect the overall classification of the race, as Rosberg finished 14.271 seconds ahead of Daniel Ricciardo in fifth position.

Toto Wolff has tried to calm the situiation by saying that he was “not going to try and put blame more on one side than the other; it always takes two to tango and, as we have said before, this should not happen between team-mates”

Rosberg also received an official reprimand for continuing to drive around the circuit with a damaged car, as this contravenes Article 22.11 of the Formula One Sporting Regulations, which “requires a driver with serious mechanical difficulties to leave the track as soon as it is safe to do so”.


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Message par 00521 le Mar Juil 05, 2016 8:19 am



Perhaps the clearest view yet. (Amateur video).



(SKY TV)


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Message par Zag le Mar Juil 05, 2016 11:05 am

This is all very disappointing from Mercedes and especially Wolff.  To lie about the
brakes is one thing but to not apportion 100% blame to Rosberg after seeing all
the video evidence, especially the inboard footage of him deliberately not trying
to take the corner and purposely spearing Hamilton is disgraceful.

Rosbergs defence is riseable and how he can keep a straight face knowing how
big the lies he is telling are beggars belief.  

I had little regard for the guy before this and now have none.

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Message par Zag le Mar Juil 05, 2016 11:50 am



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Message par F1 forever le Mar Juil 05, 2016 10:44 pm

Zag a écrit:This is all very disappointing from Mercedes and especially Wolff.  To lie about the
brakes is one thing

He did it again, and once again Rosberg himself contradicted Wolff. What a farce! I guess these lies have officially replaced the "he had the same problem, except it didn't affect him in any way whatsoever"-lie.

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Message par F1 forever le Mar Juil 05, 2016 10:48 pm

Classic Rosberg.

Headline from Saturday:

Nico Rosberg thanks Lewis Hamilton's crew for Saturday repair job

And that's how he thanks them: By crashing into Lewis at the next opportunity.
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Message par F1 forever le Mar Juil 05, 2016 11:02 pm

Thanks for the vids, 00521! :up1:
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Message par 00521 le Mer Juil 06, 2016 8:28 am

F1 forever a écrit:Thanks for the vids, 00521! :up1:


Honored!  

Happy that I could help.

Back to Mercedes, very sad situation. Rosberg's mental state is very vindictive and angry.

I think they should replace Rosberg with Hulkenberg or Wehrlein for 2017.

The following might explain Rosberg's rage:

Rage


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Message par Zag le Mer Juil 06, 2016 11:56 am

Had to laugh at Rosbergs problem of ''rage'' 00521...  I think it more that he isn't
as good as Lewis and he knows it.  He also isn't a very good 'racer' and running
people off the track, onto the grass or into a wall is his go-to defence... he has been
doing it for years and years, not just to LH but to many others too.

At the time he must have been laughing his head off in the car knowing Mercedes had done
their very best to hand him this win.

What I find harder to understand is how Mercedes or Wolf or anyone, including Nico
himself can give any kind of defence for this latest episode. If he had been skidding or his
brakes locked then ok but he was in complete control and to deliberately not turn (and there is a point
in the on-board video that actually shows him turning into LH even more) for the corner is dangerous,
wrong and inexcusable..
He is such a nasty guy that he even blocked of the outside of the track to stop Lewis coming back on.

I still think Mercedes will give him a new contract...

Please, please, please, please win the WDC this year Lewis!! haha!!

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Message par F1 forever le Mer Juil 06, 2016 5:49 pm

Zag a écrit:
Please, please, please, please win the WDC this year Lewis!! haha!!

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Lewis thinks he may have to start two more times from the back of the grid due to engine-related penalties. Then add Mercedes' uncanny ability to almost always come up with *something* to screw with Lewis' weekends, and it seems very unlikely that he can win it this season. Only if Rosberg starts having those problems, too... but in reality, not just imagined by Wolff.
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Message par Zag le Mer Juil 06, 2016 7:46 pm

I know, I know, but what poetic justice if it could happen...  Like Lewis, I
have not given up just yet.........................................

Toto should write fiction, he would be top of the best sellers list...

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